The bitter fight between Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Rep. Byron Donalds over a line about slavery in the state’s revised African American history standards is infuriating several prominent Black conservatives.

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        Weirdly, even today, huge swatches of immigrants too. Legal AND Illegal.

        Turns out pulling the ladder up behind you knows no racial or socioeconomic bounds.

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        Well, some people get to a position in their lives where they’re selfish and have no problem fucking over people. When they decide to pick a party there’s only one for them. And yeah, you can be black and do that

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    But I tell you, if you’re having a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or for Trump, you ain’t black.

    • Joe R. “Dark Brandon” Biden Jr.
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    This is just comedy gold. Like, Republicans have been spending time slashing down voters rights for BLACK PEOPLE and here we are knowing that there are black Republicans. Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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      My mom’s an East Asian Republican because she’s a diehard fundamentalist evangelical pre-tribulation Biblical-literalist protestant Christian and thinks Trump was sent from God to save us from the devil’s minions. Ignoring the fact that Trump has committed practically every sin in the book with “all have sinned”.

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        I don’t understand how anyone can be happy with the conclusion that this random man is some godsent, instead of the people that actually help humanity day to day. I’m not religious at all so maybe that’s why I don’t understand, but like… Why?

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      If you are to ask people on Reddit and Lemmy, you’d think these people didn’t even exist.

      Always understimating the reach of the Republican party. There are black Republicans, as well as Asian and Indian ones. Hispanic Republicans as well. But certain communities online want to continue the stereotype that the GOP is only made up of old white men.

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    I don’t understand black republicans at all. It’s just as crazy as gay or trans republicans- I wanna be like “dude, your party fucking hates you”. How do they not see it?

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      crazy

      That’s the key word, right there. In South Carolina, both Nikki Haley and Tim Scott of the GOP want to be president. One is a second generation American woman of SE Asian descent, and the other is an African American man.

      To me there’s nothing wrong with any of that, but then again I’m not a Republican. And that is the core of the issue. They literally think they are personally somehow exempt from the basic tenets of their party.

      Neither will win, both are completely fucking deluded about what drives their constituents and overlords, even as they both imagine that they actually have a lasting and meaningful seat at that table, and both are likely to be in actual physical danger whenever fascism reaches full bloom and the real knives come out.

      The Log Cabin Republicans, as crazy and self-deluded as they are, ain’t got nuthin’ on these two.

      If I could read either or both of them an informative bedtime story, one that would help them understand what is coming, their place in it, how that makes their beliefs an untenable dilemma, and how to frame their political decisions going forward, it would be a tale about the life and death of Ernst Röhm, an openly gay Nazi who also operated under a very similar delusion . . . until he was forcibly disabused of it, which was coincidentally the last night of his life. And Röhm was just gay, something right-wingers think is a choice that can be changed, not a skin color or gender that can’t be. The GOP will use anyone, until they don’t.

      But then again, I probably wouldn’t waste my breath, because crazy.

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        Neither will win, both are completely fucking deluded about what drives their constituents and overlords, even as they both imagine that they actually have a lasting and meaningful seat at that table, and both are likely to be in actual physical danger whenever fascism reaches full bloom and the real knives come out.

        I don’t they understand just how difficult it would be for them to win. Enough people will sit out the election who would vote otherwise because the candidate is nonwhite or a woman.

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          That is absolutely true, but the problem is that both of them won lesser state elections and think that means far more than it does.

          Nikki Haley was governor of South Carolina prior to joining Trump’s administration, and Tim Scott is a South Carolina state senator, so they both believe that means the GOP is inclusive and will let one of them have the top job.

          Heh, NO. You are so right.

          What they don’t understand is that every “real boss” (the president, and of course a white male) needs secretaries and janitors and people who can raise cash for the party. That is what state politicians are to the Republican party, so the GOP doesn’t mind letting women and people of color win locally, because it keeps the constituents happy and the façade of inclusivity intact.

          But the top job, or anywhere near it? Absolutely not. Look how they lost their collective minds when Barack Obama, a demonstrably capable (and IMO excellent) leader was elected. The shrieking and hood gathering in response hasn’t stopped yet.

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      It’s mostly religion. I find it strange how hard some African Americans took to Masters religion.

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        That’s what happens when children are taken away from their parents and indoctrinated into Christianity when they’re too young to know any better. Same with Indigenous Americans. Erase their culture and their language and make them Christians by taking their children away and raising them the white way.

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        Because Christianity played a major part in helping black people overcome slavery and united them together?

        Also all Civil Rights movements in America started in the Protestant Church

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          Awesome!

          Could you tell us how many of the slave owners and their supporters (so in favor of slavery) were christian?

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            I can tell you 80% of black people are Christian right now, so you’re insulting 80% of black people and their religious belief

            How would you like it if I insulted Jewish people and their belief? Muslims?

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              At some point you stop humoring people when they bring their imaginary friends with them to adulthood.

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              Oh, so christianity gets a pass then? Just because you start to wave a despicable race card in our faces? To use people of color as a firewall for a religion of pure hate is unteal and tells me all I need to know about you. But wait, you have shown us more!

              Jewish and Muslims , there we are. You are in no doubt a heartbeat away from going racist and fascist. Not a huge surprise for a person supporting christianity, a religion at the forefront of most heinous acts in history.

              Glad you have dropped the christian mask and shown us what christians do when you show them their cult was in the wrong.

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                Please do not belittle other peoples religious beliefs and customs. Thank you.

                Everyone in the United States of America is free to practice their religious beliefs, it is against the ideals of Basic Human Rights to deny anyone that right, especially here in America. If 80% of Black Americans are Christians then I believe it is only appropriate, and in accordance with the ideals of a free democratic society, to respect that belief, not to dehumanize Black people for choosing what they wish to.

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                  Actually we have the freedom to openly mock religious beliefs. As long as the Christian Facists don’t completely take over the country.

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                  Did you just try and play some sort of ‘big dad tells you what you can and cannot do’?

                  Off your high ground with you, off your false castle. You have NO moral high ground to stand on. I will belittle christians all day long, this right is earned by centuries and centuries of despicable acts of inhumanity perpetuated by that religion. How dare you, how dare you to try and take some moral high ground knowing fully well you stand on the graves of millions and millions tortured and killed by that lovely christianity.

                  And then that clumsy attempt to try and see if you can bate me into some statement where you can play the race card. How pathetic.

                  My point is that religion, and especially christianity, is bad. You uninvitedly and all on your own pushing people of color to the front in order to fake defend them is the REAL racist move.

                  Do you often feel the need to defend black people? Are they not able to defend themselves, hmm?

                  You tried to ‘daddy knows better’ me and belittle black people by keeping pushing their stats when none was even suggesting. You are a racist, plain and simple.

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        This is like, a really patronizing comment? As if black people cannot form their own beliefs, the only way a black person could be christian is if “master” told them to.

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          Every tragedy has an origin story. A lot of Slave owners felt it was their moral duty to civilize their property by teaching them Christianity. The tragedy is the death of whichever West African religion was stolen from them along with their freedom and agency.

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        How can you look at the past, say, 25 years of GOP history and not come to the conclusion that they’re racist as all fuck?

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          Lack of education, and decades of brainwashing including an explicit underlying message purposely tied up in religion to benefit from that suspension of disbelief that everybody on the planet who isn’t a hardline far right Republican is explicitly part of a worldwide conspiracy against you specifically, low income white dude in BFE County, US with a population of 5,000, and every announcement, news story, discovery (scientific, archaeological, astronomical, doesn’t matter) is all fake to prop up the conspiracy against you specifically.

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    The US has a 13.6% black and 19% hispanic population. Turning either group against you is going to be a political disaster.

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    Several told POLITICO they fear the issue will play into Democrats’ characterization of Republicans as favoring a whitewashing of American history.

    lmao. calling it a ‘characterization’ like it’s not true

    Many Black Republicans find themselves in a quandary: on the one hand having to push back on perceptions that slavery has positive attributes, but also fighting the perception that if they voice criticism, it leads to questions of whether they are sufficiently conservative.

    Harrison Fields, Donalds’ spokesperson, captured this in a tweet. “If you condemn CRT & refuse to support BLM, black Republicans are called a coon, sellouts, & Uncle Clarence. If you vocalize minor distaste with a sentence in a curriculum that lauds skills developed by slaves during slavery, black Republicans are called Democrats and frauds,” he said.

    i don’t understand how they can understand this but not the fact that their political affiliation is a cult.

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      I assume they do it for the grift. Kinda like all republicans or most politicians, really.

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            you heard it here folks, the real racism is thinking the republican party is antiblack.

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                yes it is. its anti-gay too.

                tis why the republican party has to prop up the few token minorities it has tricked as a shield against criticism, while simultaneously kicking those groups out and not letting them participate.

                lol.

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                Literally just look at what the people in this article are complaining about. Are you really saying a Republican agenda in Florida to teach kids the good side of slavery isn’t racist?

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        Believe it or not, saying that being part of a group of racists is against the best interests of a black person is not, in fact, racist.

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    “Several told POLITICO they fear the issue will play into Democrats’ characterization of Republicans as favoring a whitewashing of American history. Most saw it as an unforced error at the time when Black Republicans feel they’ve been making significant strides within the party.”

    So VERY close to being self-aware, and yet so far.

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    In other words, they never thought leopards would come for their faces like they did their ancestors.

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      Here’s my version I just made

      First they came for the trans kids, and I did not speak out—
           Because I was not a trans kid.
      
      Then they came for all LGBTQ and women, and I did not speak out—
           Because I was neither.
      
      Then they came for the POC, and I did not speak out—
           Because I was not a person of color.
      
      Then they came for me, a non-believer —and there was no one left to speak for me.
      
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        See, my theory is that the black guys will still be getting the short end of the stick in the US long after the trans and gay stuff is forgotten and normalised.

        And the reason I think this is simple. No middle class white republican voters ever got sat down by their teenage kids, only to hear “Mom, dad. I think I might be black…”