I side-eye vocal fans of UFC like I do owners of pit bulls. I see a strong correlation between UFC fans and assholes with warped machismo. Many are delightful, but there’s an overrepresentation of not-delightful and potentially dangerous with no regard for other people. My guard is up until I know which a person is.
The most annoying part about that is those shit heads are usually casual fans who cant name more than 3 or 4 fighters. I hear you though.
Dana White is a pile of shit, with that said. MMA is awesome.
Pretty spot on my guy.
I don’t, personally
Nice
I appreciate the skill/technicalities of the sport and that it’s not simply two people beating each other up. However, there’s a pretty large chunk of fans that are basically toxic masculinity and incels. And the UFC organization is shitty.
I agree.
The UFC is in bed with inhuman American right-wing imperialists but MMA is cool af, and perhaps the only sport my hyperactive and inattentive brain can watch without getting bored 3 mins in, lol.
Yeah I’d agree with both parts of that haha. Unfortunately most organizations have had shitty ties in the past. Whether that be to corruption, organized crime or our current president.
Is that a typo? Do you mean MMOs? I love World of Warcraft personally.
Never got into MMOs I’m a single player rpg boy.
No worries! When I pay MMOs, it’s pretty much single player anyway.
Runescape is an idle game with multiplayer chat, change my mind
This is the way
Then you want star wars the old Republic. Assuming it’s still a thing.
MMA’s had a great impact on traditional martial arts. It made people think about what to do if you come across a grappler, and specifically a ground-fighting specialist. Previously, among the major TMAs only judo really thought about it. The dishonest dojos will say something like: I just won’t let them get that close. Which is BS. The more honest dojos will say something like: that’s not really our focus, but we sometimes have a visitor do a seminar on that.
Plus, didn’t it reveal taichi to be a load of bollocks? Or was that some other martial art?
It unmasked a ton of charlatans in the martial arts space.
I think it made Traditional Martial Arts dojos modulate their claims. It provided a venue of “live” instead of scripted adversaries in a variety of styles, which made it difficult for unscrupulous TMA dojos to make claims about how powerful their arts are. (i.e. you can just say “why don’t you go use it in MMA?”) Of course there’s still value in TMAs: exercise, discipline, competitions, skills like punching and falling and kicking, etc. And MMA has its limitations too, it’s just another rule-based competition, see Rory Miller’s “Meditations on Violence” for one discussion on this.
Everything this side of a real life or death fight has rules, so I don’t think people could ever test stuff without limits.
Or rather, the number of people who agree on a no rules fight is self-regulating…
Yeah, exactly. Violence is contextual. Sometimes you just want to get the drunk out of the bar. Sometimes you want to hurt someone enough to leave you alone. Sometimes you want to defeat your opponent in a fair fight. Sometimes you want to get as many people as possible and catch your enemy by surprise – but even then you may not want to kill them bc you want to “win the peace as well as the war.” Obviously no single “style” is gonna cover all of these. (and one of MMA’s contributions was to emphasize how you could mix them together.)
Good point.
It took me a while to understand why a lot of self-defence-focussed jiu-jitsu reminded me of Aikido so much, instead of more “efficient” styles.
But it makes sense for the intended purpose: you don’t want to immediately punch someone into the next time zone for being loud and pushy at the bar, or for touching you in a way they see as bold and you see as creepy. But a twisted joint communicates “do this again and it hurts more” pretty well, yet doesn’t do long-term harm or cross the line into excessive violence
I understand the appeal, even though it doesn’t appeal to me. As a business it’s pure marketing genius. That dude took it from a shunned nothing to the entertainment money printing apparatus that it is now. Which makes me even less interested. I don’t hate popular things for being popular. But that tier of money printing makes everyone at or near the top an evil asshole.
Dana definitely is a terrible guy and the best promoter of all time.
The fighters are great athletes and it can be fun to watch.
But the fans are total knobs. I’d never go to a live event nor pay the insane prices for PPV
I’ve seen lots of people say how bad the fans are but I’m not sure why. Other sports have riots and hooliganism. I personally have never experienced an MMA fan engage in negative group behavior like that.
I don’t know, but ever MMA fan I’ve met in real life was a douche
Huh, well thats a bummer. Sorry to hear that, I promise many of us aren’t.
I do enjoy MMA, not actively watching or anything, but it’s one of the only sports that if it’s passing on the TV somewhere I actively pay attention and have watched some matches (I find especially interesting the first UFC championships when it still was Karate vs Sumo type of thing). I’ve also trained martial arts for a good chunk of my life, so I watch those matches for the technical side of the fight. All of that being said, I have to agree with him, a good chunk of people I know who actively watch MMA are douches, there are a few exceptions, one of my best friends watches every fight, and he’s only a douche to people who deserve it, but most of the people who watch the fights with him are very douchy.
Honestly MMA events are usually pretty chill when it comes to actual violence I believe its because the percentage of people who can actually fight in the audience is way higher than at regular sports.
The dudebro assholes can never be 100% sure if that skinny dude is there because he likes to watch fights or because he trains with one of the competitors.
I don’t see the appeal of watching two guys beat each other up. But if it keeps them from raping and pillaging then I guess knock yourselves out.
Honestly, more people should do martial arts. Fuck, I should go and do some martial arts. It is great to release steam by “beating up” a consenting partner.
I like MMA in general.
The UFC has been kind of scummy for a long time because of the way they have consistently underpaid the athletes while also cutting off their other sources of making money like their individual sponsorship deals.
Its gotten much worse since the Fertitta brothers sold it. Now there’s no one to curb Dana Whites worst impulses, no one stopping him from indulging in his petty grievances with the athletes and playing favorites, I’ll include a couple of examples.
He fired lots of fighters for hitting women, Jon Jones has has at least two incidents of domestic violence and is still in good standing with the UFC.
Tom Aspinall seems like a good dude. Somehow he’s the bad guy in the eyes of the UFC for not continuing a fight after taking multiple eye pokes in a recent fight.
I’m old enough to remember the days of Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock. I liked UFC back then. But then somewhere along the way, it changed. It changed into who was the most entertaining fighter instead of who was the most skilled. Sure, some of those early fights weren’t were chess matches, but that was the sport. The fighters today still have skill, don’t get me wrong. The fans have also changed…I mean booing two jiu jitsu fighters in a bold is just weird and disrespectful to me. I wonder how many fighters don’t make it in the UFC just because they’re “boring.”
I don’t care for it now. I haven’t watched it in many years. I think Frank Mir was the last fighter I really followed. I’ve tried watching Pride, but it’s been hard for me to find.
Is that the one with the overdramatic acting?
No, thats soccer and basketball.
other the barbaric nonsense, I have no input. this applies to all sports when watching them as ‘entertainment’
participating in sports is a different thing altogether.
I don’t really get what you mean.
watching sports and cheering for ‘sides’ is barbaric and not worth the time. the countless riots over winning, or losing also backs up my claims
Oh I see, I disagree heavily but definitely understand why you feel that way and respect it. MMA has never caused a riot. In regards to sides, its not like that in MMA. Individual people get rooted for. By example, I loved to cheer for Dustin Porier because he has a great personality, does a fuck load of charity and was always in great fights. On the other hand I like cheering against guys like Jon Jones because hes a genuinely bad person, seeing him get beat down is great, unfortunately that happens rarely.
I played football with my friends growing up so I used to appreciate watching it a bit. Football used to be daring, sometimes amazing, now it’s like plays are decided by algorithm, boring. But ultimately, I’m just not interested in seeing other men fight.
I love kayaking, learn some things watching others do it on video, no care to see kayak competitions.
I like the JiuJitsu but there’s plenty of competition for that without the repeated concussive trauma of striking. I don’t like seeing people getting concussion for sport.
I’d agree jujitsu can be fun to watch, but really only if you know what you’re looking at. You see a punch land you know damage just occurred, the untrained eye sees a wrist/arm in the wrong place has no idea how close a sub may be. I hear you on the concussion aspect and it is an unfortunate reality of the sport. I wish more money was being spent on research into CTE and treatments.
