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Almost everything based in technology spies on everyone now a days and most people are alright with it. I don’t understand why people are okay knowing this spying exists. Louis Rossman does a great job here showing us the disgusting tactics used by big corporations to gaslight people into believing them over what these companies are really nefariously up to.
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See, if you ever pull the trousers down on people who say that, they suddenly start caring a whole lot about privacy!
May I please hide my sex life from car manufacturers?
Like I get the whole lack of privacy these days but I think most people assume that’s a privacy they have
No. You don’t even get to own the car you buy from them, why would you get to own your sex life?
You’ll own nothing, and be happy damn it.
It really does feel like they’re daring us to do a communism sometimes
This is capitalism, not communism.
Yes, under communism you own a portion of the means of production
See, I am of the view that there should be a list of people who have this mentality and their data is updated live and publicly visible to all to see, and I mean EVERYTHING. Of course I’m not calling for someone to just hack systems and publish user data, but instead people get free services when they sign up for to be part of this list.
Then we’ll see how many “have nothing to hide”
Damn, oh well🤷🏿
My (often unpopular) opinion is: none. Our government agencies should exert their efforts improving privacy and security rather than subverting it. We should be a nation of white hat hackers.
That would be amazing. I also think that everything and everyone one in any level of government should let their actions, money, etc. be open source and viewable to everyone.
I agree with you strongly. We have the technology, it’s just pointed at the wrong crowd. The eyes of the surveillance state should be on the rich and powerful, not the masses. The price of power should be the loss of privacy.
It sounds great in a world where peace is the standard, but we don’t live in that world.
You want our military and DoD activities to be fully transparent? Why? So any country on earth can bend us over a couch? Yeah let’s be fully transparent about what we are buying and where it’s going.
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This argument is coming from the same mindset that if you have nothing to hide you don’t need all that privacy.
It’s really not. The military is a special case here as they do, in fact, having something to hide. The knowledge of their activities is kind of important for not being ambushed by our foes.
This might surprise you but most modern Military hardware is far more capable of delivering destruction than withstanding it. Whoever strikes first usually wins unless met with an overwhelming counter response. You give that away and the opportunists will do what they will do.
I’m not blind, the military industrial complex as a whole needs torn to a fraction of its current stature, but “let’s just let everyone know everything and where and the cost…” is just one more populist standpoint that will end in horrible failure.
“War is a racket” will give you a better idea on how to combat the growth of the military industrial complex.
As for the CIA/NSA/FBI, yeah they should be absolutely transparent no doubt about it.
You want the FBI to be transparent when they frequently have to investigate criminals on the lowdown to get them to expose themselves?
Unless it’s part of an active investigation, sure. The moment they’re in cuffs it needs to come out.
Otherwise what else is the FBI doing? Probably tapping your phone or selling crack to people they want to see in legalized slavery.
Look at how much money the US spends (creates) for their military. It’s more and more and more every year and we have no idea were lots of it goes towards. Then wars are milked for the military industrial complex to profit off of. Certainly some operations can be kept secret to some degree but it has gone way too far currently.
Look, im a veteran who’s absolutely onboard with gutting the MI complex. Don’t get me wrong. Eisenhower rang the bell on that one half a century ago and I’ve seen personally what war profiteering leads to.
That being said, just “tell everyone everything!” Just can’t work. We’d be better off changing other things to stop the takeover of Boeing, Northrop, LM, etc. Unfortunately things that would absolutely be too drastic for our modern comfy lives, like enforcing income restrictions during wartime and changing the voting process from Congress to draftees.
I totally get what you’re saying and there is certainly not a good way or one way of solving these problems. I believe that the government has no trust left to give. Just like if one person in a relationship made too many mistakes over and over to degrade trust the partner might want them to be totally transparent. While not ideal to have everything in a government transparent we are so far down the loss of trust rabbit hole that only something drastic to uproot our comfy lives needs to be taken. My ideas are certainly not perfect but we the people need to come to some consensus soon and give up some convienences for the better
It isn’t so much a matter of secrecy as a lack of oversight. If they have a shitty contract awarding system it isn’t secret just that no one is watching it.
Which would make money launders and scammers very happy
They are. In this case their view is that they’d rather your car be able to receive security updates via ota than be subject to hacking by Blackhats unknown. And as a result they aren’t necessarily going to go back on that because the automaker is selling your data. What we need are data privacy laws. But security laws are already in place in a lot of cases.
its not that ur opinion is unpopular but its about as good as saying communism is good. which is to say it is good on paper but it wouldn’t work in practice due to people being people
That goes for everything, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try, or should we remove laws casmuse people still steal, murder ect and get away with it
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That’s it. I won’t have sex in my car any more.
I mean if I had a car, I wouldn’t have sex in it any more.
If I had sex that is.
That is some eye opening shit. Thank you for sharing!
You’re welcome! I’m glad to hear that people care!
Couldn’t we at least use this data for something useful? Like help me find a date with a possible future girlfriend?
I’d like to give my vehicle consent, to unexpectedly drive me to a blind date, with another car owner. Sounds romantically.
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citizenship status, immigration status, national origin
How?
If I were to wager a guess; extrapolation. If say you live in Sweden, frequently visit the tax agency or social services, has the surname Alreihan, and frequent places like adult schools, mosques, and immigrant stores, chances are you’re not an average Svensson. Most personal data is public records here in Sweden so it’s quite easy to find out anyway.
religious or philosophical beliefs
So it actively listens in case someone says out loud they’re a communist? Because I’m damn sure that “philosophical beliefs” isn’t part of a purchase order.
I wouldn’t put it past them to actively listen in on people. They help themselves to your geolocation too though, so if you say, drive to a protestant church with any sort of frequency, chances are you’re a protestant. If they know your age and your income bracket, they might also just assign a profile to you. “This person is a WASP so they are likely conservative.”
Genetic information. Amazing. I guarantee this means, in part, that they’re literally measuring your dick with their cameras, because it’s not asking for a blood test to start your car.
Yet, hah!
I don’t know about Android, but Apple is really big on health guffins. So if you have an Apple Watch and use the Health app to record and track your data (it can record a lot, though they don’t ask for dick size) then it’s not completely outlandish that the car might request that data from your phone should you hook it up.
Though, it might just be something that the car manufacturer app asks for, because I’m unsure if Car Play can just pull health data like that. Third party apps can absolutely request access to your health data, so if you have a Tesla and use the Tesla app, they can totally request health data permissions and add that to your profile.
How?
If you live in the US, most likely data brokers.
Really seedy industry centered around buying and selling your personal information, compiling public records from government sites to build a profile of your location, previous addresses, jobs, biological sex, given sex, phone numbers etc, and then cross referencing that with online data from ad trackers and targeting to build a more detailed profile of who exactly you are specifically.
This stuff doesn’t even scratch the surface too.
US law enforcement has also been openly using data brokers to bypass certain privacy protections/rights granted to people who live in the US, where things like a warrant or subpoena would usually be necessary
citizenship status, immigration status, national origin
How?
- I don’t know how but they obviously know a way. There are so many ways for your life to be pieced together by many algorithms online all collecting bits of data that are then sold to create effectively, you.
So it actively listens in case someone says out loud they’re a communist?
- If there are microphones in the car then I absolutely believe it will listen to you. Many companies and apps do this already. Think of a time when you mentioned something and now you get an ad for it. And you’re right, that shouldn’t be part of your purchase order.
Soon AI will be watching my skin over time so my insurance can deny claims
- China already does this with a social credit system. I wouldn’t put it passed any other governments that already show similar tendenancies.
I guarantee this means, in part, that they’re literally measuring your dick
- Telsa is in a lawsuit currently for employees looking at nude videos among other things from peoples car’s cameras
Ah don’t understand why people overreact… We have nothing to hide… Its that what everyone says? But in case that wasn’t clean… First line was sarcasm
Remember there is a difference between spying and monitoring based on consent. If I ask the police to put up security cameras on my street due to crime that is monitoring, if someone hides a camera in a tree and aims it at my house that is spying.
If someone hides what they’re “monitoring”, and what theyre doing with it, from you in vague definitions and legalese ToS, it’s still spying.
You hire a security guard to monitor your street and he has his binoculars pointed at bedroom windows most of the night, which one is that? Those windows ARE on the street to monitor.
