ceasefire
begin talks with the other Palestinian government that isnt Hamas
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn’t that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
So why not just end apartheid if hamas benifits from it. Or are you just being vague on purpose?
You do realize you’re just creating a situation where whatever Israel does is always justyfied? They help create a terrorist group, create an open air prison where the people who live there can’t leave and then bomb their schools, hospitals, refugee camps etc. Always with the excuse that Hamas might be there. So what’s the excuse for murdering Shireen Abu Akleh in cold blood? Or for the settler colonialism in the west bank? What is about colonialism you don’t understand that leads to more and more violence?
Mate, they’ve tanks circling Gaza city the ships sailed for provoking neighbours and they’ve already provoked Jordan by bombing ambulances, aid convoys, hospitals and schools.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
Fucking awesome. I’m a fucking nazi and I love killing children. All I need to do is say a terrorist (lol everyone who opposes me is a terrorist btw I’m a nazi, remember?) is hiding there and I can kill like 20 at a time. And the best part is I NEVER EVER HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE. The western media just repeats my press releases!
It works on hospitals. It works on refugee camps. It works when I target individual ambulances!
Well, this claim has been made by Israel, too, as if to say the tunnels are all underneath hospitals. But they showed a quickly made 3D rendering, not proof.
Yeah its well known by everyone that they hide where they have human shields, this doesn’t make it ok to just ignore the civilians but it explains the high casualtys to a certain extent…
Yeah i don’t like how Israel deals with it as well, but i also don’t see another option, Palestinians kicking Hamas out won’t happen and Hamas has already proven they make people stay with force.
And the settler thing is also not exactly a good thing.
So if someone attacks you and threatens to eradicate everyone in your country and has their rocket launchers on top of hospitals, hides their fighter in refugee camps, and has their operation offices under schools, what do you do:
Nothing
Tell all civilians to leave and bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
The main problem is Hamas using Palestinians as shields. There is almost 0 uproar against Hamas in here. But its their fault Palestinians are dying.
The difference being that Hamas is a terrorist organization who has no ties to our allies. Israel, one of our biggest allies in the middle east, is the one who should be held to a higher standard and should know better than to carpet bomb half the place to kill 10x+ civilians than terrorists.
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If the only solution I could think of to a problem was to bomb a school I would simply ask someone else to come up with better ideas.
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Didn’t say it was easy. I said bombing a school isn’t an option.
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This is a shit-tier excuse for bombing schools, regardless.
Yeah their take seems to ignore the fact that there’s other options than just drop a bomb on the school
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would the realistic solution be?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore Hamas either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
The PLO wanted to remove Israel from existence for most of the time it was in power, it’s not like they were saints either.
I never said they were saints?
But you very strongly implied it, stating the PLO is palatable.
I said they were secular? They are more palatable then Hamas in the wests eyes. I don’t think that is controversial even.
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Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn’t that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
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So why not just end apartheid if hamas benifits from it. Or are you just being vague on purpose?
You do realize you’re just creating a situation where whatever Israel does is always justyfied? They help create a terrorist group, create an open air prison where the people who live there can’t leave and then bomb their schools, hospitals, refugee camps etc. Always with the excuse that Hamas might be there. So what’s the excuse for murdering Shireen Abu Akleh in cold blood? Or for the settler colonialism in the west bank? What is about colonialism you don’t understand that leads to more and more violence?
“putting a foot on the ground”
You mean a ground invasion? Which they’ve already started. The bombing is just to minimise Israeli casualities.
Mate, they’ve tanks circling Gaza city the ships sailed for provoking neighbours and they’ve already provoked Jordan by bombing ambulances, aid convoys, hospitals and schools.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
Totally kill a bunch of civilians including kids with bombs then! Totally fair.
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Fucking awesome. I’m a fucking nazi and I love killing children. All I need to do is say a terrorist (lol everyone who opposes me is a terrorist btw I’m a nazi, remember?) is hiding there and I can kill like 20 at a time. And the best part is I NEVER EVER HAVE TO SHOW EVIDENCE. The western media just repeats my press releases!
It works on hospitals. It works on refugee camps. It works when I target individual ambulances!
lol you are really so dishonest to say that the only choices are to bomb a bunch of children and civilians or do nothing at all.
Dude is a literal nazi. Just now compared Palestinians to dogs arguing with me.
Well, this claim has been made by Israel, too, as if to say the tunnels are all underneath hospitals. But they showed a quickly made 3D rendering, not proof.
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Negotiation tactics don’t generally involve shooting through the hostage.
Good ol’ Isreal showing school shooters that bombing is better for killing kids.
Yeah its well known by everyone that they hide where they have human shields, this doesn’t make it ok to just ignore the civilians but it explains the high casualtys to a certain extent…
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No it isn’t and Israel specifically didn’t sign the Geneva convention.
Arguable. You do know bombings were happening before Israel was a thing right?
Yeah i don’t like how Israel deals with it as well, but i also don’t see another option, Palestinians kicking Hamas out won’t happen and Hamas has already proven they make people stay with force.
And the settler thing is also not exactly a good thing.
True but two wronges don’t make a right. It is still wrong to bomb that school
So if someone attacks you and threatens to eradicate everyone in your country and has their rocket launchers on top of hospitals, hides their fighter in refugee camps, and has their operation offices under schools, what do you do:
Nothing
Tell all civilians to leave and bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps.
The main problem is Hamas using Palestinians as shields. There is almost 0 uproar against Hamas in here. But its their fault Palestinians are dying.
There is plenty of uproar about Hamas everywhere.
The difference being that Hamas is a terrorist organization who has no ties to our allies. Israel, one of our biggest allies in the middle east, is the one who should be held to a higher standard and should know better than to carpet bomb half the place to kill 10x+ civilians than terrorists.