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    The ACAB movement Americanizes other countries’ police forces needlessly.

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      ACAB states that there are inherent problems in the concept of the police. The first “A” stands for “all”, after all.

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          Some tankies claim that Sovjet, GDR, or Chinese police are/were based and still shout “ACAB”, because they just dislike liberal capitalism police.

          They should be reminded of the first “A”.

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            In authoritarian structures, the facts are dictated by the authority, not reality. When the authority and reality come into conflict, and you choose to side with reality, you are at danger of bodily harm or death.

            Many people consider life and death to be more important than what letters and words mean, so I would imagine your proposal is simply impossible at any large scale, in any place where the people more inclined towards uprisings have already been killed.

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        I sm not sure the concept itself is bad, though I absolutely admit that I don’t know the stated concept of the police.

        To me it is “uphold the rule of law”, but that might just be me hoping it is that.

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          The critique is a bit too broad to explain simply in a lemmy post.

          I can try, but keepin mind that this will not be exhaustive:

          The police’s job is to reinforce the current power structures and keep the people that currently are in power at the top. That has been their historical purpose, too. Dating back to the 1800s when they violently beat down strikes and workers’ protests. They are always “legitimized” by “the rule of law” without adressing how legitimate the law is. Speznaz, Gestapo and the Stasi all “upheld the rule of law”, but where highly immoral. The same goes for Frontex.

          When the police acts immorally and/or breaks the law, the social structures most likely will prevent repercussions for those police officers. If you get beat up by police, other officers will pretty much always cover for their colleagues.

          The image of the police’s job being to “protect and serve” is the result of active police propaganda (so-called “Copaganda”)

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            I see what you are saying, and while I disagree that the concept is to reinforce the current power structures and keep the people currently in power at the top, that is the end result of upholding the rule of law.

            Eh, it’s mostly splitting hairs at this point anyway, the police uphold the laws as written by the people in power which usually benefits themselves.

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                That is fair, I find that it can simplify too much in some cases, but eh, I am very seldom in a position of power to have to actually answer these questions, so these concepts are purely academic to me.