‘ex-4chan users’ isn’t really an important criteria, especially if you’re including the people posting there before 2016. In fact, some hobby boards like /co/, /mu/ and /lit/ were notoriously left-wing. “Ex-” usually means the ones who were smart enough to leave.
But furthermore, calling Mastodon a white supremacist site is just funny. Might as well be saying that about Lemmy.
Also, ex- 4channers and fascists we have found don’t necessrily give up the language or ideas from it once they have left, no matter how ‘smart’ they were.
Both people online and offline we have met that were fash in some way have a certain energy and way of speaking to them that we find disgusting and offputting a lot of the time.
Those articles are describing a very different thing. Jon is not saying (or supporting your implied claim that) Mastodon is a white supremacist service, let alone a white-supremacist community. In fact, for both Lemmy and Mastodon, they praise the responses of staff to racist content. As far as I can tell, the closest is them saying that their broader society is white supremacist and that has systematic implications on Mastodon which typical users can be ignorant or dismissive of.
I don’t know what instances you roam, but I don’t see any kind of nazi/fascist shit on mine and I really love that. But then again, my instance is about metal music and people usually don’t discuss politics. Also, I’ve blocked and muted everything that relates to trump and us politics. Not that it helps anyone but me.
Thankfully all the instances we’re on block heavily but there are some well known bad actors who are white supremacists and a lot of reply guys, JAQ etc people too, I’ve seen quite a few who have slipped through the cracks before.
Yeah, if your instances doesn’t discuss politics and you don’t follow anyone outside of music circles or at least don’t open anything with a political CW you likely won’t ever see it, but it’s there.
the fascists of the fedi don’t roam free on the wider network, they harass in secret, usually in DMs or “followers only” posts
there’s also a problem with subtle white supremacy, where Black people (and other POC, but mostly Black people) will get piles and piles of harassment that’s totally unrelated to being Black you see, of course, but its not happening to white people for some bizarre reason!! (see also: the many cases involving TheBadSpace where any Black person who was ever so slightly in favor of Ro and their work would get a fuckton of harassment)
(the last one is present on pretty much all social media, be it pre-Musk Twitter, Bluesky or Tumblr, but im told that it’s especially bad on the fedi)
So is Mastodon really, well not a site but yeah, a lot of users there are ex 4-channers or still use it and it shows.
Fedi isn’t really any better.
‘ex-4chan users’ isn’t really an important criteria, especially if you’re including the people posting there before 2016. In fact, some hobby boards like /co/, /mu/ and /lit/ were notoriously left-wing. “Ex-” usually means the ones who were smart enough to leave.
But furthermore, calling Mastodon a white supremacist site is just funny. Might as well be saying that about Lemmy.
If you look at our comments we made it pretty clear that all of fedi is like that, including lemmy.
Also, ex- 4channers and fascists we have found don’t necessrily give up the language or ideas from it once they have left, no matter how ‘smart’ they were.
Both people online and offline we have met that were fash in some way have a certain energy and way of speaking to them that we find disgusting and offputting a lot of the time.
yes, mastodon absolutely has a white supremacy problem.
and so does lemmy.
Those articles are describing a very different thing. Jon is not saying (or supporting your implied claim that) Mastodon is a white supremacist service, let alone a white-supremacist community. In fact, for both Lemmy and Mastodon, they praise the responses of staff to racist content. As far as I can tell, the closest is them saying that their broader society is white supremacist and that has systematic implications on Mastodon which typical users can be ignorant or dismissive of.
CTT claims that Bluesky is great, but I’m just not into that type of social media so while I’m on Mastodon, I don’t actually use it.
Okay, however, all of fedi isn’t much better. Including Lemmy.
I don’t know what instances you roam, but I don’t see any kind of nazi/fascist shit on mine and I really love that. But then again, my instance is about metal music and people usually don’t discuss politics. Also, I’ve blocked and muted everything that relates to trump and us politics. Not that it helps anyone but me.
Thankfully all the instances we’re on block heavily but there are some well known bad actors who are white supremacists and a lot of reply guys, JAQ etc people too, I’ve seen quite a few who have slipped through the cracks before.
Yeah, if your instances doesn’t discuss politics and you don’t follow anyone outside of music circles or at least don’t open anything with a political CW you likely won’t ever see it, but it’s there.
the fascists of the fedi don’t roam free on the wider network, they harass in secret, usually in DMs or “followers only” posts
there’s also a problem with subtle white supremacy, where Black people (and other POC, but mostly Black people) will get piles and piles of harassment that’s totally unrelated to being Black you see, of course, but its not happening to white people for some bizarre reason!! (see also: the many cases involving TheBadSpace where any Black person who was ever so slightly in favor of Ro and their work would get a fuckton of harassment)
(the last one is present on pretty much all social media, be it pre-Musk Twitter, Bluesky or Tumblr, but im told that it’s especially bad on the fedi)
This is exactly what we mean, thanks for explaining better than we could/did!