I’m not sure how accurate StatCounter is, given that most Linux users use adblockers. However, according to it, Linux has almost a 14% desktop share in India.

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      C is for Cognizant btw. But Cisco wouldn’t be too far off.

      It’s a desi-fied version of WITCH, for those familiar with that term.

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      We use TCS and Accenture at my work and I’m aware of us using Cognizant and HCL as well. You’re bang on fuck all those companies and also “first world” compankes for fucking the local employment market and fucking overseas workers.

      Race to the bottom. Nothing matters but the bottom line.

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      As a MoS&E student in northern Europe I’d love to hear why these companies have such a bad rep over in India. They’re doing massive recruitment drives at my uni (along with BCG) and sponsor a lot of student events, so I don’t hear many bad things about them.

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        …because they just throw people at projects with no regard to skill set or level. Their business model is get contact, hire lots of tech grads, assign them to project, cross fingers. They’ve ended up with a reputation of not being able to execute, and they doing it by paying people at the start of their career the lowest amount they can. If you end up on one of these projects, and are actually capable, then everything gets heaped onto you.

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          Ah, makes sense then why they’re pushing so hard to have a presence at our universities. Hopefully I’ll be able to avoid such employers in the future. Thanks for the heads up!

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          Also to add the Indian market is so saturated any “good one” you get knows their worth and dip out at the first opportunity. Leaves giant companies left holding the bag on a model that has skeleton crews containing all the tacit knowledge with no means to do anything. “Oh well just bring in vendors to do xyz” ignoring the operational cost going forward. The current business model employed by fortune 500 companies was and is unsustainable. Great for their bottom line though.

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      Why are these companies the worst? It’s a honest question since I actually don’t know much about them.

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      I don’t know much about this CHWTIA. But I do know someone who works at Capgemini, can you tell me why they are considered exploitative? Genuinly curious.

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        Underpay and overwork their Indian workers like a motherfucker.

        Return to office is mandated back to 5 days a week and 9 hours a day minimum at some of these places. The company makes bank but the workers get cents on a dollar.

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          When you’re ready to go back to the job market, I recommend you to join a company that develops a product. Not a service company that will sell you like fresh meat to its clients, like the one you listed.

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          Do you have any interest in relocating outside India? You seem to have a good domain of English and softskills on top of some Linux. I wouldn’t mind taking a look at the personal projects you mention

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    That’s because even a grey market Windows key costs US$20 nowadays and that’s over ₹1,600. For comparison purposes, the largest Indian banknote is ₹500.

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        …but not legal. Being poor doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inclined to break the law. Besides, Linux is useful if you perhaps want to later get a job in the tech field.

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          You’re not breaking the law, you’re breaking a software license agreement. That does not automatically make it a crime, at least, that would depend on your exact local laws, and the lawyer’s interpretation of it - in many cases the actual wording around this is ambiguous and could be argued both ways. A better term for it would be a “legal grey area”, which means if you’re a company then don’t f*** around with it, and if you’re just a random user then no one gives a f***.

          In any case, if those scripts were truly illegal, then the Microsoft-owned Github wouldn’t host them in the first place. Clearly Microsoft themselves don’t have an issue with it, so why should anyone else care about it?

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            Yes, you are breaking a law. Copyright infringement in this manner is an offence under the Copyright Act 1957 punishable with up to three years imprisonment and a fine.

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              But you’re not infringing on any copyright. You’re downloading a copy of Windows directly from Microsoft legally, and then activating it using a free and open-source script hosted on Microsoft’s own servers. You aren’t breaking any copyright law in doing that.

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                That’s how it should work, but creating a derivative of a copyrighted work, through modification, even if it is for personal use, is technically illegal in the US.

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                  Copyright doesn’t even apply until you attempt to distribute the covered work, so no, this is false.

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                That’s not relevant. We’re talking about why Indian people are using Linux in greater numbers so only Indian law really matters in the context of this discussion.

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                  I think copyright and ownership law only broken in France tho? I never seen many country that has no that kind of law? Well if you ask implementation… It’s different things. 😂

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          resold oem key is not legal as well.

          only legal options are: get windows with your device or purchase retail for a hunnit $.

          just accept it and pirate.

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            only legal options are

            You could also just download the ISO from MS directly and use it without activation. It’ll only prevent you from changing the theme and wallpaper, but you could just change the registry entries directly or use a third-party tool to change your wallpaper/theme.

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              And no BitLocker (without fiddling around even more)? No, thanks.

              There’s no way Microsoft can win this moral battle, they’ll profit off you enough with all their tracking, have you seen the atrocious setup screen at installation they put you through?

              • Do you want to ads?
              • Do you want to a keylogger?
              • Do you want to get tracked?
              • Do you want to get fucked?

              Yes, please, daddy GatesNadella

              (Sorry, can’t help myself from sounding like a nutjob when Microsoft gets into the equation)

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                Not sure what you’re getting at here. I’m a Linux user FYI, I’m just disagreeing with the OP’s comment that there are only two legal options.

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            It’s of questionable legality. It’s not illegal as in “piracy”, but the seller, or whoever obtained that key from Microsoft, is violating their agreement with Microsoft by reselling the keys.

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          I absolutely agree that Linux is great and I genuinely hate Windows for number of reasons. The problem is that some people just have to use Windows. This might include me in a few days, because I’m in high school and we have to install Solidworks. I think that for these people, Windows Activation Scripts are a good option that is safe (like it’s not a virus), is free (because I don’t want to pay for OS that I’m forced to use for some reason) and is safe in the meaning that there is no way of legal consequences if you are an individual, AFAIK. Also the licenses from 3rd party websites are often stolen licenses and buying them is IMO worse than activating Windows using the scripts, since you are supporting scammers.

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            You really need to learn to read properly. What I’m saying is that being poor on its own does not incline people to commit crime. You read it as “People commit piracy if and only if they are poor”, which is the only statement under which your reply and its implications would be logically sound.

            Is being poor correlated with piracy? Yes. But I argue the much bigger factors are the lack of availability of legitimate methods of acquiring software in India as well as the difficulty of acquiring such legitimate copies, even when they are available. There are also cultural differences that make piracy more acceptable in India than in other places, such as Europe or North America.

            Think of it like this: a hypothetical 13-year-old child in the United States who wants a video game and sees it on Steam for 60 USD may consider piracy, but is much more likely to save up for it and buy it legitimately when they get a Steam gift card for their birthday or ask their parents for it for Christmas. Their parents can easily go to Walmart or Amazon and buy a copy. Meanwhile, a child in India who sees the same game for sale for the equivalent of 5,000 INR will know that is firstly a ludicrous amount to save for, and secondly, may not be available in their region, and thirdly, lacks the ability to simply ask for it for their birthday or something. Gift cards don’t seem to be too common in India. A person living in India is also less likely to have access to banking infrastructure that allows for easy electronic payment. Even things bought on Amazon have “cash upon delivery” available as a payment method. That is how undeveloped India’s payment infrastructure is. Meanwhile in the USA, every teenager has their own bank account and debit card. As a result, the Indian teenager is more likely to pirate. But it is not solely because they are poorer.

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              It’s not that deep.

              • Kid wants a video game thats paid

              • Kid searches the game piracy website and finds it.

              • Kid downloads and plays the pirated game

              Every kid does this and you know it. People don’t consider downloading things off of internet as some sort of a moral test or a criminal action. And software piracy is just in paper in some countries.

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                It’s not that shallow. You are trying to use an anecdote, and not even a concrete anecdote, to argue a matter of statistics. The anecdote isn’t even illustrative of any point. It is utterly disconnected from any statistical argument. It is not logically sound and you should know that. We’re talking about how many people pirate things, not whether any given person pirates something. What you have argued in your comment is, “there exists a set of circumstances where a person could reasonably be driven to commit piracy”. That is neither persuasive to your thesis nor particularly enlightening.

                I really wish rhetoric was taught as a standard subject in grade school. It must not be where you’re from.

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        Is this real and safe? Why is Microsoft letting it be hosted on their own platform?

        I looked at the code but the “single file version” is 10377 lines of Batch. They want me to do the power shell equivalent of curl abc.com | bash. The official website looks legit but I have no idea if this is safe or how they’re doing it.

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          I dunno if that particular one is safe or not, but running a webpage as a script is asking for it.

          Could be swapped to something else at any moment, and what you see if you browse to it may not be what is returned if you use the command line…

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          These are the most well-known activation scripts that many people trust. They are well documented and often recommended, with more than one contributor. Written in powershell, I believe that if they were malicious, some of the 46k people who starred the repo or 4.8k people who forked it would notice. That being said, you can only be sure if you read the code, which is luckily not that difficult in the powershell script case. I personally trust them, definitely more than I trust Microsoft itself :D

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        While it is free to download it, the license still costs. Though they seem to let you use it unlicensed for an unlimited amount of time with some restrictions (like not being able to change the background image and an ever present watermark). At least this was true for windows 10. No telling if/when they will drop that feature though, especially if loads of people start using it unlicensed like that (though I doubt that has any effect on people using it that way or not).

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          Microsoft never gave a shit about private piracy barring some noteable examples from countries with very strict anti-piracy laws like germany. The tactic has always been to get everyonem on windows and then make the big bucks seeling the OS to enterprises, because everybody wants to use windows, since they’re at least halfway competent at that

          Now, it’s my opinion that people, en masse, can’t use computers to save their fucking lives anyways and whether they’re too stupid to utilize windows or too stupid to utilize Linux doesn’t make much of a difference, but boy do the people get angry when anyone suggests switching off windows

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      No largest note was ₹2000 but just recently it got banned maybe government likely going to launch new notes?

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        Was, but no longer is. It is officially discontinued, making the ₹500 note the largest for now. I would expect the Government to quickly launch a new large-denomination note. India is still a largely cash society and the largest note being worth 6 USD is surely going to be inconvenient for everyday citizens.

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        The Government demonetised ₹1000 and ₹2000 banknotes a few years back as part of a campaign against “black money”. The Government’s thinking was that criminal organisations hoarded large amounts of cash in these large-denomination notes, and by forcing everyone to deposit the notes immediately into the bank, it would bring light to the flow of money.

        It was not particularly successful and mostly all it did was lead to a week of chaos and long queues outside banks.

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    It’s a little puzzling to me that Linux isn’t popular in low-income countries. Why wouldn’t it be the OS of choice there? Do we need to become linux missionaries? I imagine it would be easier to convince people who can’t buy an iPhone to use FLOSS than those who can drive to an Apple Store and waddle over to get yet another one.

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      Probably because it has to compete with piracy there, not with Microsoft and Adobe and such.

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        ironically enough i think microsoft (at least until very recently) has had a very lenient stance on piracy exactly because of this

        piracy is the key to the consumer market in developing countries, consumer market is the key to enterprise (where the actual money lies)

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        I remember switching to linux because windows was shit and because I was afraid of getting caught using pirated warez. Is there no fear of that there?

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          If India is anything like my country (Brazil), corruption is rampant and enforcement outside business environments is pretty much non-existent, so, no, no one is afraid of piracy for domestic use. We used to have street vendors and booths on strip malls selling all kinds of warez on CD/DVD. The only reason they’re not around anymore is because internet speeds here are already good enough that downloading is easier. And no, no one will cut you connection because of it, our congress already approved laws saying that access to digital communication is a civic right.

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      Puzzling? Windows comes preinstalled or can be pirated. Also, it’s popular, Linux isn’t. No puzzle on sight.