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  • You need to expand on this claim. Yishuv, from my understanding, is the generation of Jews in Palestine before the formation of Israel. I’m not sure what point you’re making.

    The whole story of Zionism pushing the idea of a country “of their own” and destined as a Jewish homeland predates the riots and conflicts that arose from increased Jewish settlement (and literal smuggling) in the area, because of Zionism, and nations like Britain playing up the idea of a promised Jewish homeland with the Balfour declaration for political purposes, and then dropping it when WW1 was over.

    The yishuv living in relative peace prior to increased migration from people who believe fundamentally that this was their land is the story of human migration patterns causing strife that has happened throughout history in literally all corners of the world and is a very poor justification for why one group deserves their “ideal” homeland over another.


  • Jaderick@lemmy.worldtoMemes@lemmy.mlIt just gets worse the more you read
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    Agreed. I find the people in my life who blindly support Israel know nothing of the history of Zionism prior to 1948 and think Palestine was given to Israel just because of the holocaust, almost universally omitting that there were already people there and the responsibility of all western governments (I’m considering Russia “west” here) in the oppression of Jews in the years leading up to, and after, the holocaust.

    The Behind the Bastards episode on Bibi Netanyahu talked about how he really got his start in the US as a lobbyist for the state of Israel and the media blitz Israel utilized to get both American parties to unconditionally support Israel. Most Americans are just propagandized af.





  • I think comparing Venezuela to China is apt here. Both are “leftist” governments that the US is nominally opposed to, but we still allow trade with China despite growing tensions. Venezuela, and Cuba too, got embargoes from the US because of the idea of the Monroe doctrine and Roosevelt corollary (my neighborhood, my rules). The US can hurt them more for not falling in line.

    I’d also argue the US is particularly mad at both nations because they escaped the cycle of the School of the Americas (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperation) tendency to create right-wing dictators from US trained army officers in left swinging South American states.

    I guess my point is that it’s the US leveraging its power to get what it wants, and I’m biased but trying to look at it from a more objective perspective. The US does not act as a monolith, there are people who oppose bases / promote isolationism which complicates the matter.

    As an American I’m personally pissed that we have to deal with the sins of our forefathers for being greedy and trying to rectify that is going to be a slow process.


  • We’ve kept our hands off Venezuela

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68139518.amp

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10715

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gideon_(2020) - *US mercenaries

    We haven’t pulled a Vietnam on Venezuela likely because of OPEC connections.

    You cannot deny the influences of historical actions on modern politics. There’s a direct line of people who supported / enacted US power ambitions, that you’ve agreed with, to the modern day. Many of these people are either on their deathbed or 1-2 generations gone. Kissinger just died two months ago.

    You’re justifying the power projection after the fact. The original question was why does the US have bases everywhere and they didn’t just appear one day. Many bases are in conquered countries from WW2 (Germany, Japan). There’s also history of the US placing troops with countries that nominally align with US interests, despite their despotic nature (S. Korean dictatorship, S. Vietnam, Cuban Bautista government etc.). US operations have also been implicated in overthrows of democracy (Iran shah reinstatement, Guatemala’s 1952 coup on Jacobo Arbenz) and the US has also supported deplorable governments like the Khmer Rouge (nominally communists but at odds with Vietnam in 1977) out of spite.

    It’s all power projection, and one that primarily benefits the rich within the United States.

    People need to understand that Iran is a direct result of the US and the UKs oil ambitions, because the unpopular reinstatement of the shah bred the environment for the Islamic Revolution to thrive, take power, and cause the problems we see today including the Houthis who clearly would have no love for the US because of its supply of armaments to the Saudis who have been bombing them.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

    In 2023, the CIA admitted that the move to back up the coup was “undemocratic”.

    Honestly one of the funniest things I’ve read on Wikipedia


  • Agreed that ISIS is a real threat and that it’s all incredibly complex and short responses on Lemmy won’t do the topic Justice.

    I disagree with the statement:

    We don’t really take power “just to take power”

    as the history of US “Manifest Destiny” and colonialism were 100% about taking power. We also have the Monroe doctrine and Rosevelt corollary as examples of the US attempting to take power over an entire hemisphere.

    The history of US power ambitions have essentially lead us to the modern day funding of bases across the world as we spend more on our military than the next ~10 nations combined. I’d argue that with two large oceans on either side and friendly nations north and south, that money is not for “defense” purposes.