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That’s not what I did at all but that’s a fun way to characterize it.

My man we are both arguing opinions here lol you dont get to pretend like your opinion is correct because you like your logic and I don’t lol

We just disagree on this its not as deep as you’re trying to make it out to be with this weird self aggrandizing attitude.

Finding an exception to the rule and then claiming that exception is the rule is kinda wild. The vast vast vast vast majority of human beings do NOT engage in exploitation of each other. As such I do not believe exploitation is a part of human nature but is rather a manifestation of anti social behavior intersecting with the material conditions of the time. Humans are egalitarian and communal by nature, things that pull us from that are aberrations to our nature not pillars of it.

lol

Or maybe when you make right wing chud arguments that are almost incoherent I assume you’re a right wing chud.

You’re out here larping as a bible thumper and think its a gotcha when people think that’s reflective of your world view. Brother I dont know who the fuck you are am I supposed to just assume everyone is out here making disingenuous devils advocate arguments all the time or something?

Man I don’t even know where to start with this comment. I’m not sure when we say socialism we are even talking about the same thing first of all.

Second of all of course Jesus was not literally a socialist - that didnt exist when he was alive. But if you extrapolate the underlying vibe of the lessons Jesus taught they are ones of empathy and community.

It’s always y’all religious types that bastardize and twist your texts to match whatever flavor of mental illness you have. Respectfully Jesus would find you to be a charlatan lmao.

When you look at why people did the enslaving you will inevitably find someone who is creating hierarchies by abusing some facet of the material conditions of the time. Slavery is not a part of human nature.

Apologies I responded to the wrong convo thinking it was the response to another comment. I think you are trying to make the point that modern day civilization is slavery due to the exploitation of capitalism but I’m not really sure of the point you are trying to make beyond that. Slavery is bad. Capitalism is slavery. Capitalism is bad.

I think we are agreeing unless you think I’m taking the position that slavery is good. Or are you trying to make the point that I am wrong because human beings have employed slavery in the past (and still do today)?

Please go read the Bible lol Every single moral value that Jesus preaches is like a straight up pillar of socialist ideals. Feed the hungry, house the homeless, cloth the naked, etc etc. If you extrapolate these ideals to the rest of society…what do you get? Definitely not capitalism!

Debt and slavery are not the same thing. Debt can be used to functionally enslave as capitalism does enslaving us to our wages so we can afford to exist, but again that is a feature of the coercive nature of capitalism and debt is just the enforcement mechanism in this instance. Debt and capitalism are two independent things that intersect in interesting ways.

Debt and capitalism are not the same thing if that’s what you’re insinuating. Markets are not a feature of capitalism either, they are simply tools for economic control.

Tell me you’ve never read the Bible without telling me.

Jesus Christ was a socialist. It’s literally his ideology if you just read the words he says.

It’s very telling the lack of education by many commenters. For one communism is not something you can do in one country. It is definitionally a global shift into a classless, moneyless, stateless society (I am simplifying here but this is the basics) A “communist country” is an oxymoron - it doesn’t mean anything. We have socialist nations run by Communists and communist parties. In fact if you look up the definition of a “communist country” it’s right in the description “is a form of government that combines the state leadership of a communist party, Marxist–Leninist political philosophy, and an official commitment to the construction of a communist society.” Which is to say a socialist country led by communists with designs to bring about communism to the planet. I believe we don’t have communism until every single person on the planet is emancipated.

Communism is the most noble of aspirations but we have a while before we will realize it. Most of the things communists espouse that those to the right demonize as impossible are, in fact, things that are largely enormously successful in already existing socialist nations with the primary reason for their failures being constraints imposed by capitalists nations worldwide.

Socialism is inevitable. The contradictions of capitalism increase every day and the average person is increasingly aware of how little the system is designed to care for them. It is only a matter of time before enough of the masses are organized and the power dynamics shift permanently.

You know that humans lived in communal societies for a long fuckin time before all the bullshit we know today, right?

Human nature is not greed. That’s capitalism.

I’m fine using AI as long as it is my hands and not my brain in the tasks it helps me accomplish. To that end…I rarely use it outside of programming these days.

There are some tasks like art that I do not think AI should be broadly used for though.

I know we’re trying to be funny but is the joke…people lost their SNAP benefits and can’t afford a turkey? What’s…funny?

I’m not even trying to be the woke police someone please help me understand.

Edit: also if the point is just generally feel angry and ashamed by the callousness of the current admin then that’s where I am currently at.

DSA is, in my opinion, currently the most viable leftist organization in the US. It is certainly the biggest and most active one in my area.

Originally I joined because I wanted to get involved locally just somehow. I didnt know what to do and found the most organized leftist group to join to learn the skills I was clearly missing.

I know people like to shit on DSA because there are the most baby leftists in it imaginable who often treat it as a pool activists they can tap for their capitalist adjacent reforms. There is truth to this in some chapters. Some of the largest chapters in the DSA like NYC and LA are so big they get NGO brain sometimes and lose sight of the mission.

From where I am sitting there is a clear path to move the national politics of this group towards being a true party of the people with designs to bring about socialism and eventually communism.

I am an applicant to the Marxist Unity Group caucus and strongly believe in their vision for the future of this org. It is our duty to bring these lessons to the working class to merge socialism with the worker movement. To build truly Democratic structures and bring them to the masses to show them another way is possible. We need a social democracy in this country and we have go to where the people are - imo that’s DSA. I dont think its lying to people its educating them out of their infantile understanding of what is necessary for us to cohere a national movement to take our country back.

I have much to criticize about DSA but I’m here because I want to help change it and educate people on why our path is the necessary one to move in the direction of Revolution and emancipation. I am surrounded by communist comrades in this org who feel similarly. MUG is a rapidly growing caucus that has National influence with the seats it has. DSA is moving left towards really being an independent force but it will take time. I wanna speed that up.

Ultimately I am here for progress. If it turns out CPUSA is the right ship brother I will pledge myself to that org so fast it will make your head spin. Same with PSL for that matter. But as it stands today I’m with DSA.

I’ve been in the DSA for a bit over a year and it’s been wonderful. We’ve made meaningful wins for people and are steadily growing. Our chapter is beginning caucus more which is exciting because it means more opportunities to engage with the national conversations and do necessary political education.

The core of my chapter is mostly ML’s though we have a right wing contingent that I am hoping we can persuade if we could get some of them to read a goddamn book. There are serious growing Marxist factions on the left of DSA that are gaining a lot of traction quickly and it’s an exciting time imo.

Anyway go to some of your local chapters meetings and see what they’re doing. An organizer will 100% reach out and talk to you if they are competent. It can be daunting to get started but it is extremely rewarding.

Don’t let them scare you into compliance. Fight for what you believe in.