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  • sibachian@lemmy.mltoLinux@lemmy.mlWhich distro?
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    4 days ago

    nah, it’s basically my experience with flatpak and snaps on ANY distro on ANY machine. the fact that everyone’s moving to this crap is beyond me. Am I the only person on the planet that expects a modern computer to run snappier than a PC from early 2000? sure seems like it sometimes, especially when pretty much any software released since 2018 runs electron. Hell, now every manufacturer is moving to ARM like it’s some revolutionary hardware - no, it just vastly improved energy usage AT THE EXPENSE OF PERFORMANCE. we might as well stick with what we have and just pump less energy into the damn thing and have the exact same results.

    blimey.

    I get the convenience; I do …but it can’t possibly be worth the sacrifices?? sigh.

    the day of coders who knew what they were doing is long since gone. now it’s just click and play frameworks to pump out garbage and oversaturate the ecosystem.









  • people who like fast apps should care because like 99% of current software developers are building electron apps instead of giving us something that actually lets your high end computer behave like a high end computer.

    the only modern chat application that doesn’t run electron today is Telegram.

    the only cloud note taking app that doesn’t run electron is …uh. doesn’t even exist.

    the only…

    i can’t even think of something i use that was released after 2016 on my computer that doesn’t run at a crawl because of electron. fuck electron.



  • electron slows everything on your computer down (by design). for each individual electron app you’re running concurrently, you’re burning another huge volume of resources and sacrificing performance that normally would have been shared. even well-optimized electron apps can’t do anything to avoid this due to the inherent design of electron. because each runtime of electron has to load all its junk separately from one another. it’s a burden on your hardware that developers just don’t give a shit about because electron makes it easy to push out apps with minimal coding effort and let you ignore native platform support. if they did give a shit they wouldn’t use electron. electron basically makes a flagship computer behave like a 90ies computer due to lazy convenience of the coder. i’d propose that any developer who opts to us electron can’t be trusted because they obviously don’t care (or know) enough to develop real software. almost every electron app is basically a patchwork put together from various github sources and frameworks.

    regardless. even if i wanted to use one of the privacy focused applications despite electron, i would have a total of 0 users to chat with, making the chat app useless. people want their modern features and are beyond willing to pay with their privacy. so not only does telegram offer a non-electron native client on all platforms. they also offer all modern features and design elements users have come to expect.

    and as said. if i had to pick one chat application i’d prefer over anything else. i’d go with delta chat. since i wouldn’t need to convince anyone to install it and still be able to chat with them. but it’s unlikely the delta chat developer will rewrite it. heck, most of the actual interface is just another lazy copypaste. so, i do me.


  • both use Electron (which is the problem and why Telegram is literally the only modern option on the market) so they aren’t options either. If Electron wasn’t a problem in and off itself, I wouldn’t use either of those anyway since I could use DeltaChat, be secure, and not need to bother to “convert” anyone to use the client since it’s literally a chat client built on the email protocol (which everyone on earth has).




  • agreed. but chats are there to keep in touch, collaborate, and communicate. so we don’t have much of a choice, especially since most people just don’t care about security and stick with Messenger or similar. in my circles though, it’s a lot easier to convince someone to use Telegram unlike one of the many XMPP clients, and seeing as it runs natively, it’s my only real choice.

    personally, I’d be all over DeltaChat if it wasn’t running on electron. brilliant idea for sure, as there would be no convincing necessary to keep in touch with practically anyone on the planet.


  • mobile is not the problem for many reasons. one being that apps offload so there is no system wide slowdown like you experience on a modern high end computer, caused by electron.

    all those protocols only offer shitty electron apps on desktop.

    i have a top end m1 mbp and it can handle 2 electron apps running concurrently at best. i won’t even install electron apps anymore because i need to be able to actually use my computer for work. which is a bit ironic as most modern utility applications which would be useful for work can’t even be used on most computers unless run as the single active app (great workflow, lol!).