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            this gets into a completely seperate thing. He could not give them it without congress but the US only very reluctantly restricts commerce. Its a very different thing to say im not going to fund your war and im not going to sell you stuff when dealing with a long time ally. And no you don’t just throw away diplomatic relationships easily. If countries did they would have stopped having dealing with us in trumps first term.

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          Maybe we shouldn’t have supported Ukraine if it meant supporting genocide

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            You seem very picky as to which genocide is ok.

            The Russian land grab and physical and cultural genocide of Ukraine.

            The Israeli land grab and physical and cultural genocide of Gaza/Palestine.

            You can’t be absolutist about one and hand wave the other.

            No purity for you.

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              The US is not currently causing the genocide in Ukraine.

              The US has not spent 80 years covering for genocide in Ukraine.

              The US has not spent 80 years being the attack dog of another nation commiting genocide in Ukraine.

              I’m not in Russia. I was not born in Russia. I do not pay taxes to Russia.

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            And in a mirror universe where that decision got made someone’s arguing “maybe we shouldn’t have cut funding to Israel if it meant allowing the genocide in Ukraine.”

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              what gets me is would the hamas attack and thus the isreali response happen without putin. Im very suspicious that he was not pushing on making more chaos globally to get our of the cluster fuck he started.

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        Yup. I don’t understand why people are talking like Harris isn’t also pro-genocide. Obviously more Americans are going to die under Trump and that’s a tragedy too, but why are people pretending the election was about Palestine?

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          The election was never about Palestine, ultimately the Dems lost of their own volition by running rightward with Liz Cheney. Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide and running on a progressive platform, or even a Leftist platform (which the DNC would never do, for the record, even if it would win), they deliberately chose to lose to the reps. Their donors would rather have Trump than progressive Dems win.

          More Americans would die under Harris as well. The US Empire is crumbling, even if Harris won that wouldn’t stop that process, what’s necessary is for the working class to get organized.

          Meanwhile, Palestine burns and the Dems got away with it.

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            Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide

            Irrelevant

            Trump ran on “the Dems aren’t doing enough for Israel” and won the Arabic vote

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              Trump didn’t win the Arab-American vote, Harris lost it. Arab-Americans pivoted towards the Green Party and PSL.

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                It’s the same thing

                How many elections has the messaging been “a vote for Stein is a vote for Republicans”

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              He didn’t though, Jill stein got like 40 percent, Harris and Trump got 20 each.

              Honestly this simplification comes off as disingenuous and attempting to play Arab voters are more conservative and backwards.