What’s the closest thing we have to a perfect private messanger?

In my mind the perfect private messanger is both completely secure, and also completely anonymous.

All the mainstream messengers can pretty much ensure the contents of the message will not be revealed…but that is not good enough. I want to be able to deploy and establish a completely anonymous AND private channel of communication on a dime without having to jump through extreme operational security hoops.

Does it really exist?

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    28 days ago

    Lot of people mentioning SimpleX but I can’t imagine trying to make someone go online at the same time as me to start sending each other messages without being annoyed. It also relies on funding from the British state IIRC.

    On the other hand XMPP is a W3C internet standard, the server is super lightweight, plenty of tools and bridges work with it. Movim uses it, which is like an encrypted Mastodon where you can selectively make a post public but otherwise gates everything behind a login. Also you can send messages on the main phone network with the paid Cheogram service, but I realize that an unencrypted SMS relay is not a priority for everyone. I think it’s the bee’s knees.

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        28 days ago

        I don’t understand how every person responding to me has missed that I said “start chatting” not “continue chatting” but I will be idiot-proofing my lemmy comments from here on out, it’s exhausting

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          27 days ago

          Such a high horse for such a tiny person.

          1. On simplex you can “start chatting” asynchronously
          2. You didn’t say “start chatting”. You said “start sending messages” which is something you do with people every day
          3. “Start chatting” and “continue chatting” do not mean what you imply the mean. There is no distinction between them as “the absolute first time” and “all the others”. I can start talking again with a friend I haven’t talked to in months. I can also start talking about a previous topi (" me and my girlfriend started talking once again about having children")

          So… You know… Maybe get off the horse? It’s not that everyone around you is an idiot is that you failed to communicate… Or you are an idiot

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      28 days ago

      Lot of people mentioning SimpleX but I can’t imagine trying to make someone go online at the same time as me to start sending each other messages without being annoyed.

      Do you just keep your phone off or do you not use your IM clients there? Literally never had this issue with simplex, it deliveres notifications just fine to my phone.

      Though I did manually have to give it notification perms on android. Annoying but very easy fix.

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        28 days ago

        Look everyone I know smokes weed it’s really bad. More like a turn your brain on situation. You know how bad that is for your sleep architecture™ over a period of 4-5 years? It’s a wonder they can even remember what I said, but telling them to do something at a certain time? I’d be uncloseted as an authoritarian. The only way I even get people to use these apps is Appeal to Paranoia.

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          28 days ago

          I rip through an ounce of dabs a month and can run a homelab and write software that way, I have no problem holding a 9-5. Your friends are just irresponsible, or more likely, just don’t give a fuck like 99% of people.

          Me and my friends are all stoners, we use simplex fine. Not sure what your deal is.

          Either way why do they need to do something at a certain time?

          YOU CAN MESSAGE OFFLINE USERS ON SIMPLEX THEY WILL GET THE MESSAGE LATER, IF THEYRE ONLINE NOW THEY WILL GET A NOTIFICATION. IF THIS ISNT WORKING YOUR NOTIFICATION SETTINGS ARE FUCKED.

          I’m sorry you and your friends can’t figure out how to use literally the first open source privacy a respecting messenger that I actually think I could hand to my grandmother…