• ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world
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    Remember everyone, if your utopia relies on the idea that everyone just peacefully gives up their power, it is doomed to fail.

    IMHO: We all should strive to be the change we want to see in the world. But sometimes it’s even enough to just be the person that you wish to see in the world more often.

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      Tbf the chance I want to see in the world is “common sense” tho, so not much I can get better upon to help.

      Like people are geniuenly trying to make fascism popular again so what am I supposed to self-improve at, punching?

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        Unfortunately it seems to me that the nazis are being way better at self-improving their punching. At least here in northern europe, they frequently hold training camps with pretty rough sparring.

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            Hard to say. It looks like they kinda vanished after Ukraine war started. Soldiers of Odin still exists, but seems like they don’t do anything at least visibly.

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      What would die is the goal of limitless growth (and limitless externalities). And it would presumably put the decision making about the right tradeoff between “industrial mechanisms” and the climate back in the hands of the people… instead of leaving that choice to self-interested billionaires.

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    If capitalism collapses, we’re most likely going back to feudalism, not ten-forward to Star Trek.

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      I wish to highlight that between the Bell Riots and the Phoenix, ST predicted that there would be both the Eugenics Wars and WW3, which leave the world so badly broken that the only “nations” that remain are the Western Alliance and the Eastern Coalition. Alameda, CA gets completely blown off the map; and it’s not the only such place.

      It’s not a pretty picture, when you look at the history they gloss over.

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      For a while. Maybe the rest of our lives. We’d come out of it eventually.

      Maybe in 1000 years democracy will have a resurgence and we’ll have a global democratic government.

      Until people get complacent and it stops working and the whole thing collapses in on itself resulting in a return to feudalism.

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    Woody Allen, as flawed as he is, had a good quip about enjoying whatever brings you pleasure without feeling guilty.

    The world isn’t going to get better. Evolution created a system where those bereft of morals make the rules. It’s literally in our nature to lie cheat and steal. Current humans are a statistical anomaly, aside from the tastier class.

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    Why should Capitalism collapse? The rich already own almost everything. Some will go broke but the system can continue forever. If nature collapses and food becomes scarce, it will just become more expensive.

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      Look at election results all over the world. Capitalism is already collapsing… into fascism.
      If history is any indication, this means being not productive enough might not only get you fired, but also imprisoned or disappeared. Gotta kickstart a whole trillionaire class soon.

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        Fascism is still capitalist and the two co exist. Capitalism to put it simply is an economic system and fascism is an ideology after all.

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      Because lard ass orange pile of shit is not preparing the world for a new pandemic and instead is destroying green energy and allowing AI to waste and pollute the environment.

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    You speak as if you are dissatisfied with having a system that fucking implodes by concepts of “automation” and “technology” in the “automation and technology” era.

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    Waiting is usually not the best option. like, you can wait until the trash goes away on it’s own, but it might take longer than you expect, with consequences you might not.

    Just saying…

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    Capitalism will burn itself out but that literally comes with the burn out of humanity. The only way to reverse capitalism is to revolt and impose our own socialist agenda. I know its not what you want to hear but its the only solution to not ending our lives in horrible desperation. Our new policies for climate change will ensure mitigation of greenhouse gasses but the button has been pressed on our future and we will see climate disasters and a global warming that we will need to endure. Endurance and ensurance are the only outcomes possible with the impotence our society is achieving. We are so stuck in this capitalist hellscape and incapable of fighting the systems that rob resources and leeches on the world. We only have this planet and we are sucking it dry quite literally.

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    I’m a time traveler, I came back from the future just to tell you guys that we will naturally evolve from capitalism to democratic socialism, aka market socialism. It’s still capitalism, but better. You still have free markets, but cooperatives will beat corporations on account of simply being more competitive - you see, in a level playing field, cooperatives don’t need to squeeze their customers, employees, & vendors to maintain a profit margin for their investors, unlike every investor led corporation in the world. You can even ask the incoming mayor of New York about it. Wait a minute, is he a time traveler too?

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    Seems robo-factories in China are going to take over the world. Hope they have some mercy, because no one can compete with China now.

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      Maybe it’ll be the same day my Mrs. Right appears. It’s been so long, the universe must really have a romantic surprise up its sleeve for me! Squee!