You have the “1D” political compass of left vs right, but those terms are so broad they can describe completely opposite viewpoints. Then there’s the “2D” political compass with authoritarian/libertarian and the classic left/right, but that is still quite broad and doesn’t fit every ideology and belief well. If someone were to create a fully fleshed out N-dimensional political compass that could accurately summarise generalise to a reasonable degree of accuracy* a person’s political perspective, how many axes are needed, and what would they be?

Of the top of my head, I can think of a few:

  • authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian (on the extremes, you would have dictator bootlickers who support a one-rules-all style system and anarchists advocating for no authority at all)
  • internationalism vs nationalism
  • egalitarianism vs traditionalism (social equality vs hierarchal society)
  • environmentalist vs anti-environmentalist (every policy must consider environmental impacts vs cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is A hOaX)
  • progressive vs conservative (or pro-change vs anti-change)
  • intellectualism vs anti-intellectualism (pro-science vs anti-science)
  • free vs regulated economy (on the extremes, no government influence of the economy at all and a state-run economy)

Please don’t treat this as an argument over why your politics are better! Debating politics is the worst kind of internet argument one can consume themselves into…

Also, please note that this post is not intended to attack anyone with the above viewpoints. Just want to make that clear.

  • quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    People are inventing new terms constantly to politically differentiate themselves from the neighbour every time they disagree on any detail.

    That compass could have as many dimensions as words and meanings are in a dictionary. It’s like every fucking thing must be perfectly categorised, distinguished and segregated.

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    How many do you want it to have.

    The political compass is a tool to illustrate and compare political preferences. The more dimensions you add the more complicated it becomes.

    After 3 it gets tricky to draw anything useful. You can still choose which political values to illustrate.

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    If we are trying to avoid losing any information due to abstraction, I’d say at least somewhere in the low hundreds.

    All actions are done out of desire and human desires are numerous and often contradictory even in the same person. Many people who think they are utilitarian likely still wouldn’t be okay with the Omelas structure of torturing a single kid even if that act allowed thousands of others to live painless lives.

    Is it more right to avoid violence altogether, or is violence to prevent the slaughter of others better than doing nothing?

    Morality is complicated and since morality dictates much of how we interact with others, it is likely the most significant factor in politics.

    The second most would be personal desires. People with weak or localized empathy don’t tend to care about any politics that doesn’t affect them or their desires directly. Since desires are also diverse, this is multidimensional too.

    Now, that being said, if our goal is to reduce the dimensionality as much as possible… the answer is basically any number you want.

    Data analysis techniques will let you reduce the dimensionality of n-dimensional data to whatever number you want. In fact using similar techniques to word embedding would likely be very effective even if you simply group people by how similar their views seem to be (no need for you to actually define dimensions)

    If we assume that there are around as many important dimensions to politics as there are typical English words, then we can assume the number of dimensions needed for encoding a person’s politics without losing relationships would be about the same as a word embedding vector.

    In typical LLMs this is anywhere from around 50-300 dimensions.


    Honestly, now I’m really fucking curious. If you created a quiz with thousands of political/philosophical questions and then had a large enough number of people take the quiz, you could legitimately do this with an autoencoder and see how many hidden neurons (dimensions) you would need for a precise encoding.

    You might not be able to tell what those dimensions represent, but it would be incredibly fascinating to be able to subtract political ideologies from one another like you can with word embeddings.

    Like with good embeddings you can subtract “France” from “Paris” then add that to “Poland” and it will give you a vector very close to “Warsaw”

    Imagine being able to map out political or philosophical ideologies like this! You could ask it how far away two ideologies are too, or ask it what the average between two ideologies is, etc.

    I feel like that would be incredibly fascinating to mess around with AND like the average example it could give you an idea of gaps in our political spectrum, ideologies that don’t exist yet or haven’t been named. It could show you attractor points or clusters and give insight into inherent human nature.

    Damn I want to make this.

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      That does sound super interesting, making a giant quiz full of questions relating to morality, economics, and policy.

      I wonder if it’s possible to create like the 16 personality thingy (like INTJ or ENTP, I forgot the name of that) but for your beliefs (note that the 16 personality test thing isn’t very accurate at all and isn’t a good way to generalise people’s personalities…)

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    One dimension:

    Willingness to share Liberties with other people

    Far Right = Ayn Rand

    Far Left = some guy who just wants to live in a van down by the river and smoke weed all day

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    I’d say a 3D one is good for most cases. Personal freedom, economic freedom, and political freedom, AKA the NationStates Non-Political compass.

    Functionally, though, while it’s an easy visual I don’t necessarily know how useful political compasses are in general. One of my main gripes with the currently popular one is that it’s personal+economic freedom, and I don’t think there should be an economy at all[1]. I end up very lib left on it (something like -8,-8 or -9,-9) despite, again, not thinking economy is something that should even exist. Would that lean me more right on the economy, or left? Who’s to say! You’re not economically free if there is none, but also you’re as economically free as you want to be!

    1: My political ideals are not how I vote, so I go as close as I functionally can.

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        Not the person you asked, but any need/want. Like, in a post scarcity world there could be a central bank where the robots contribute resources and people request them as needed/desired. No money needed.

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    I found a study that may be helpful.
    The project is called the Chapel Hill Expert Survey, which is being conducted by Gary Marks of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and others, and asks political experts in each country to evaluate the policy positions of major political parties in EU member states.

    This survey interprets the multidimensional political conflict as stated in the question, and in the latest survey (Version 2025.1), it is measured by the following conflict terms:

    Issue Options and Ties

    Most Important Issue Options
    1 = Anti-elite rhetoric
    2 = Civil liberties
    3 = Corruption
    4 = Decentralization
    5 = Deregulation
    6 = Environment
    7 = Ethnic minorities
    8 = EU integration
    9 = Immigration
    10 = International security
    11 = Multiculturalism
    12 = Nationalism
    13 = Public services vs taxes
    14 = Redistribution
    15 = Religious principles
    16 = Social lifestyle
    17 = State intervention
    18 = Urban vs. rural
    Ties
    19 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Corruption
    20 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and EU integration
    21 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Immigration
    22 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Nationalism
    23 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Public services vs taxes
    24 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Redistribution
    25 = Tie: Civil liberties and Corruption
    26 = Tie: Civil liberties and Multiculturalism
    27 = Tie: Civil liberties and EU integration
    28 = Tie: Corruption and Deregulation
    29 = Tie: Corruption and Social lifestyle
    30 = Tie: Decentralization and Nationalism
    31 = Tie: Decentralization and State intervention
    32 = Tie: Deregulation and Nationalism
    33 = Tie: Deregulation and Public services vs taxes
    34 = Tie: Deregulation and Redistribution
    35 = Tie: Deregulation and State intervention
    36 = Tie: Ethnic minorities and Social lifestyle
    37 = Tie: EU integration and Redistribution
    38 = Tie: EU integration and Social lifestyle
    39 = Tie: Immigration and International security
    40 = Tie: Multiculturalism and Nationalism
    41 = Tie: Public services vs taxes and Redistribution
    42 = Tie: Public services vs taxes and State intervention
    43 = Tie: Redistribution and Social lifestyle
    44 = Tie: Redistribution and State intervention
    45 = Tie: Social lifestyle and State intervention
    46 = Tie: Social lifestyle and Urban vs rural
    47 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Deregulation and Ethnic minorities
    48 = Tie: Anti-elite rhetoric and Environment and International security
    49 = Tie: Decentralization and Public services vs taxes and Redistribution
    50 = Tie: Deregulation and Ethnic minorities and State intervention
    51 = Tie: EU integration and Social lifestyle and State intervention
    52 = Tie: Civil liberties and Multiculturalism and Public services vs taxes and Redistribution
    53 = Tie: Decentralization and Ethnic minorities
    54 = Tie: EU integration and Nationalism
    55 = Tie: Deregulation and Multiculturalism and State Intervention
    56 = Tie: Immigration and Social Lifestyle

    Source: Codebook *PDF

    Reference

    Official

    Project website

    The 2024 Chapel Hill Expert Survey on political party positioning in Europe: Twenty-five years of party positional data - ScienceDirect

    Unofficial

    Introduction to the Chapel Hill Expert Survey – Blog d’Emilien Houard-Vial

    経済・社会文化・グローバリゼーションー2020年の各国政党政治ー|NIRA総合研究開発機構 (Article in Japanese)

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    How about something about supporting the people who are poor, unemployed, or sick? Socialists and leftists love it, while right-wing capitalists hate it. I don’t know how to phrase it concisely like you did.

    And then there’s also the classic socialist-capitalist debate about worker rights. So employee rights could be another axis. Should the owner just exploit the workers or do the workers get to have weekends off, 8 h workdays, various vacations, safe working environment, fair wages etc.

    Oh, and then there are various language based divisions too. There are entire parties dedicated to supporting specific language groups, but I guess you could summarize it as “support of minority language groups”. How about just lumping all minority groups into a single axis? How about something like: minority rights vs. majority? Nowadays, that includes sexual and gender minorities too.

    How about city vs. rural life? Not too many decades ago, farming was a big part of life, so there were also many farmers who voted. Hence, we had farmer parties, and we still do to some extent. Now that farming is mostly automated, not that many voters care about farming. It’s just another industry, just like steel, paper or electronics. Historically speaking, city. vs rural life was definitely a political axis. Nowadays, not so much.

    In any case, it’s a really complicated topic, so we’re going to need a lot of dimensions. Your suggestions are a good start. Just add a few more, and eventually you have enough. If you’re really technical about it, each and every question is a new dimension, but if you should group them together into broader topics. That way, you’re definitely going to end up in at least 20 dimensions.

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      we had farmer parties

      Agrarian parties still exist in most actual democracies, in some countries they even have a significant presence in their parliament. Nowadays they are mostly about the farmers thinking they should be allowed to completely destroy the environment that sustain their farms in the name of short term profits.

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        Hmm. So nowadays that ideology should probably be lumped together with “corporate greed vs. sensible thinking” -axis to keep the number of dimensions reasonable.

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          They are not corporate per-se, the bulk are small farmers that through a mix of conservatism and short sighted self-interest think the rest of the people should give them massive subsidies for the privilege of destroying what’s left of the ecosystem. The greedy suits play a part by keeping the internal propaganda machine well oiled and financed, but they are not the ones dumbing cow shit on the steps of government buildings for the right to wipe out Europe’s last forests for example.

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    politics is 1-dimensional thought. thats why its palatable to the lowest common denominators, its all based on FEAR and emotions.